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About Dally Messenger

Principal of the International College of Celebrancy

Celebrants: Bad Management: Excessive numbers

A celebrant friend wrote the following to me about the tragedy of Civil Marriage Celebrant Program and the results of Bad Management

The so called training institutions are spewing out some terrible so called celebrants – we have a couple here who do not understand the regulations at all – one recently conducted a surprise wedding (supposed to be a housewarming and the couple were married, to the groom’s surprise) and another conducts weddings without the 31 mandatory waiting period.The Goat Track.JPGWhen I discussed it with one of them the reaction was – oh, don’t be like that – rules are meant to be broken!! If I don’t do it, someone else will!!
It is about money, not rules and ethics and codes of conduct.
A videographer recently dropped off 4 weddings conducted by celebrants both here and in (town mentioned) – I was horrified as I watched them and it would have been a comedy show akin to Fawlty Towers or Big Girls Blouse if it was not a couples most special day.
There were scenes in some of them that you would have thought had been based on Monty Python.
Scary.
“My town” is really beautiful, in spite of the 21 celebrants who roam around with their cars signwritten like a local plumber!!
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I mentioned the report (with my friend’s permission) on Facebook. I received these comments:-

  • Nicole  What about celebrants who can’t pronounce simple words, speak with a lisp or make jokes in bad taste?
    You may now kiss the groom – I’m sure you’ve had plenty of practice with the best man.”

  • Jan  – we could write a book of the stories we’ve heard (including funeral celebrants)

  • Bill  This so frightfully common around Australia. What a disgrace, no amount of correspondence to the AG or registrar makes any difference. There are so many bad trainers in the system, in all MC training and even worse delivering opd, these trainers fail with one approved trainer and move to the next taking all of their inadequacies as trainers with them. Dally messenger lit a lamp with Lois D’Arcy and Lionel Murphy so let’s keep the lamp burning with honesty, justice and education integrity.

A Valid Marriage -Yes or No?

Was this older civil Marriage celebrant ignorant of the Marriage Act?

I’ve just witnessed (on video) a recent country wedding conducted by a civil celebrant. What astounded me was that the celebrant:
a. did not state they were legally authorised to conduct the marriage
b. the Monitum was not spoken
c. neither party to the marriage said the compulsory legal vow

This celebrant was authorised more than 20 years ago, according to the AGD register of civil celebrants so they’ve been around long enough to know better, or are there different rules for the “elders” amongst our ranks. I’m very curious to hear others’ opinions.
(signed by friend)

My reply regarding valid marriages

I suppose I’d be classed as an elder.
You may not have known that we “older” celebrants were given a book of legal interpretations from 1995. It was a book which had been valid since 1973. We also had access to GOOD advice – The public servants in charge of the downgrading of celebrancy in 2003 defied the precedents of 30 years of interpretation. Hence they made a lot of mistakes and invented lot of stuff which you may think is “correct”- 

Since the downgrading we have had four revisions –
Explanatory notes 1,
Explanatory Notes 2,
When Words are not enough. 3.

And now the latest
“Guidelines for celebrants” 4
which, the first time I opened it, I saw a serious error (checked by my lawyer friends). (Note that the Department have now nearly come back to square one i.e 1973 – 1995).

For example, the interpretation for vows for thirty years was “as long as the words of the vows conveyed to those present that the couple were taking each other in marriage”.

For example, on the business of names – when you boil it down anyone can be any name they seriously choose to be. God knows how much unnecessary pain the recent erroneous interpretations have caused people.

I wrote this article for the AFCC magazine – some really ignorant people made disparaging remarks about it – but check it out – it is important – and it is correct.
http://www.collegeofcelebrancy.com.au/pages4/Sect_48-Marriage_Act.html
Finally, may I say that I hereby cast a pox on anyone who says I am not exact with the law or that I do not advocate it in my training courses. We are all bound by the same GENUINE rules of interpretation; we are not bound by the changing legal whims of public servants who have never been celebrants.
A lot more could be said –
etc etc
PS. Certain people in the celebrant political world, for the basest of motives, have been trying for some years, to drive a wedge between “old” and “new” celebrants -(the AFCC recently tried to get rid of Life Members!!) please don’t fall for it – we are all in this wonderful opportunity together.

First Same Sex Marriages in Oz

Australia’s First Same Sex marriages. All performed by Civil Celebrants.

One of the First Same-sex marriages in the ACT -7-12-2013 performed by Civil Celebrants. (Photo from The Age Gallery.)

One of the First Same-sex marriages in the ACT -7-12-2013 performed by Civil Celebrants. (Photo from The Age Gallery.)

Civil marriage celebrants for same-sex marriages

One of the First Same-sex marriages in the ACT -7-12-2013 performed by Civil Celebrants. (Photo from The Age Gallery.)

The marriages were nullified by the High Court the following week.
Still, History has been made.
The Age put out this wonderful gallery of photographs
http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/-2yxn8.html

Best Practice for Readers at Weddings

Our Celebrant Diploma Courses communicate a great deal of Best Practice for Readers and Readings.

An essential element in this for a celebrant is to have a knowledge of resources regarding poetry and powerful quotations.

A reader at one of my weddings. Notice that the reader stands among the guests and, because of the nature of the poem, is reading directly to the bride and groom.

A reader at one of my weddings. Notice that the reader stands among the guests and, because of the nature of the poem, is reading directly to the bride and groom. Photo:Remi Messenger

A celebrant who does not rehearse readers – especially at the official rehearsal, is doomed for disappointment. My experience is that even the most educated persons “race” readings at a wedding. Sometimes I have to ask the reader to practice two or three times, so I can slow them down (to say nothing of developing inflexion and feeling – and how to use the microphone).
Ceremonial pace is a measured pace – and this so applies to Readers.

When couples ask me whom they need at the rehearsal, I always start off by saying  – “You – and the Readers”.

Another question I am asked is why, when I can, I position the readers in the midst of the guests looking at / addressing the bride and groom. The answer is simple – most readings are “advice” (self chosen) for the bride and groom e.g. “Love one another, but make not a bond of love …”

Such positioning always gives out the feeling that the readers are reading on behalf of the guests – which they are.

When a reading is obviously words that the bride is addressing to the groom and vice versa I consider it essential that an explanatory sentence or two is given by the Reader – “Mary and John, I will read these words as you would say them to each other ….”

Actually short introductions personalise almost every reading and should be created for every poem and prose quotation. And, needless to say, at these times the Reader is the centre of attention and the celebrant should get right out of the way. Readers should look up at the bride and groom who should rehearse giving the reader rapt attention.

A lot more could be said.

A BBC story about discovering readings from children’s books took me by surprise. We Australians (where Civil Marriage Celebrants were established in 1973) were reading these selections from children’s books over thirty years ago. I do not know how many times a reader or I have read to a bride and groom the Velveteen Rabbit, or quotes from the Little Prince, or the Princess Bride or The Owl and the Pussycat. It is a good discovery by the Brits but they have not discovered something bright and new !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24379830

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Becoming a better Celebrant – and becoming a celebrant

If you are a celebrant anywhere in the Western World our Diploma courses are for you.If you wish to become a celebrant in any country, other than Australia, our Diploma Courses are for you.

If you wish to become a Celebrant in Australia we need to inform you that there is a necessary qualification the government currently requires – Certificate IV in Celebrancy We need to tell you that we do not esteem this course very highly as it is mainly written and controlled by non-celebrant government bureaucrats.

We teach this Certificate IV Course in two ways. You can study our Diploma of Marriage Celebrancy with extra prescribed work as required. Or we teach it only as required by the government (less expensive, less comprehensive) but, despite the difficulties, we still teach it better than anyone else through our partner Registered Training Organisation, Life Skills Training.
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