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Diplomas from the College
Saturday, 12 October 2019
Memo: To Public Servants and Associations
Meeting on October 28th, 2019.
Re the Number of Celebrants and
the sustained deluging of the market.
Dear Public Servants and Associations,
I am still alarmed that no discussion seems to be allowed on the one and the most important problem which is so destructive of the celebrant program – that of excessive numbers.
I keep my ear to the ground and talk to celebrants and the general public all the time. There are a few quite wonderful celebrants, who by dint of skilled advertising on the internet and good reputation, manage to gain enough ceremonies to earn a part time income. There are a few celebrants who are so well off financially that they are able spend a great deal of money to hire internet skills.
The majority of celebrants, however, struggle to gain one or two ceremonies a year and when they do, through lack of practice, they forget the skillset needed and the procedures required. The public suffers from their lack of ceremonial expertise.
I am impelled to repeat the points I have made before. There are so many bad effects of these excessive numbers.
THE NUMBERS: This is how I see it.
Before 2003, 1600 celebrants adequately catered for the whole of Australia. 2000 maybe would have been OK.
2500 would have been excessive.
Your destructive predecessors, dear public servants, against all advice, at that time appointed 11,000 !!
A crude bureaucratic fee and compulsory repetition OPD has forced out some wonderful celebrants. Admittedly it has reduced the numbers to 8,500 – still 6,500 too many.
Now, the influx of new celebrants equals or surpasses the ones who are resigning or dying. So we are stuck at this very destructive figure of 8,500.
If you are not insisting that this issue be discussed at your coming meeting, you are not speaking truth to power, and you are wasting each other’s money and time.
YOUR QUESTION: What would I do?
(I wish I would have been a public servant — what a wonderful opportunity you have to do something good for the country.)
Respectfully yours with the utmost goodwill,
Dally Messenger III STB, LCP, BEd, DipLib, ALAA
Currently: Principal of the International College of Celebrancy
Sometime Lecturer – Victoria University – Graduate Diploma in Arts (Celebrancy)
Sometime Lecturer – Monash University – Graduate Diploma in Arts (Celebrancy)
Foundation President and Administrator of the Australian Federation of Civil Celebrants (1994-1999).
Sometime Life Member of the Australian Federation of Civil Celebrants (1996).
(Until they abolished Life Members !!)
Life Member – Celebrants and Celebrations Network
Foundation President of the Australian Association of Funeral Celebrants (1978).
Foundation Secretary of the Association of Civil Marriage Celebrants of
Australia (1975-1980).
Author, Ceremonies and Celebrations (4 editions) – a handbook for celebrants.
Author,
Murphy’s Law and the Pursuit of Happiness: A History of the Civil Celebrant Movement
dallymessenger@mac.com
COMMENTS – IN ADDTION TO THE ONES BELOWFROM:
Mal AbrahamsenFellow I.M.A. : Life Member A.I.S.P. Govt. Authorised Marriage Celebrant 🤵
9 MIDDLE ST HADFIELD (nr Glenroy) 3046
Phone: (03) 9323 5477 or Mob 0414 317 340
Excellent, bravo. Good onya Dally. Thank you for the wonderful work you do.
Yes I totally agree and concur etc. etc.
Yes I too advertise on the web but it seems the costs far outweigh the benefit (if any)
I rarely receive an inquiry,
There are many cut price operators e.g. all done in 15 minutes.
I have conducted well over 300 marriages, most are referrals from previous clients.
I agree wholeheartedly that there are too many celebrants. The professional and high standing of Celebrants is suffering via the cheap gougers.
Cheap prices – Cheap service and sometimes non legal marriages due to the inexperience of the Celebrant. AND a beautiful wedding does not happen.
Tougher licensing is required to avoid the constant erosion of the profile of good Professional Celebrants. I have attended many OPDs where I have heard some ridiculous questions from attendees that are authorised Celebrants , but obviously have no idea and shouldn’t be seeking to conduct Weddings until they pass an examination of some substance. Being a member of a recognised Celebrant association should be compulsory, always a good idea for those that take their services seriously, keeping up to date and want to give their best. Have I been checked… ?Yes over 11 years ago I conducted 25 weddings as a trainee, supervised by one of the best Celebrants in Melbourne before I obtained my ‘licence’ to do so.
It is about time that the AG’s department started to take notice of the damage they are creating.Mal Abrahamsen. Melbourne.
Denise L. Clair
Continue the quest, Dally! You will continue to make a difference.
Celebrants: Civil Celebrants in New Jersey USA
https://iccdiplomas.com/2014/07/18/civil-celebrants-in-new-jersey-usa/
Search Ceremony etc etc
http://www.collegeofcelebrancy.com.au/Pages5/DRM_To_AG_Brandis.html
http://www.collegeofcelebrancy.com.au/pages4/roxonopenltr4.html
http://www.collegeofcelebrancy.com/pages4/OpenLtrToDreyfus.html
http://www.yourmarriagecelebrant.co/informs_re/Oz_CMCs-probs.html
Tuesday, 17 September 2019
Dear public servants and fellow delegates,
Without a vision, the people perish.
In the last few years I have been looking at your Agendas and Minutes and find myself with a growing feeling of despair. I cannot detect the vision any more.
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Let me explain. There are two groups in Australia who are good examples of those who understand deeply what the word “culture” means – the Aboriginal people and the Jewish community. Their lives are full of ceremonies and rituals all year round and all life through. They know who they are, and to whom they belong, because their values and beliefs are enshrined in these events.
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When I was young, Christian church attendance dominated the lives of most people. The church and Christian organisations (e.g Boy Scout/Girl Guides, the YMCA, YWCA, YCW, CYO) dominated most Australian lives. The rich rituals and ceremonies of the Christian communities expressed, transmitted and reinforced values (most of them really good and still are), recognised achievements, and communicated self worth. How proud I was as a cub when I was awarded my badge for tying knots, putting up a tent and swimming 50 yards!).
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These ceremonies connected communities and celebrated our history (think Anzac Day). Ceremonies helped people adjust to change – the marriage ceremony being an obvious example.
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In addition to values, self belief and self worth, I gained a sense of identity (I was a cub, I was catholic, I was an Australian, I was a Messenger). And there’s more —- the Christian religion was full of stories, literature, songs, unbelievably beautiful music, choreography, symbolism, architecture, sculpture (pseudo sculpture!) and paintings. The whole range of the visual and performing arts were communicated through the churches and their offshoots.
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But then, for reasons I won’t go into here, the churches started to take nose dives. Church attendance dropped dramatically.
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It was the renowned philosopher / businessman / philanthropist, Gordon Barton, who declared publicly that the biggest challenge facing the western world, in the Australian context, was to create a believable culture to replace the Christian churches. I think he said “filling the cultural vacuum”.
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To over-explain. In Barton’s insight, the growing body of secular people needed a culture. They needed ceremonies, rituals, traditions, ceremonial constructs to acknowledge achievement, to engender identity, to establish values, to express the arts.
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This has happened to a certain extent, but to my mind the greatest contribution to our secular culture came from our statesman founder, Lionel Murphy. He used his position as Attorney-General in the Whitlam government to enrich Australian society. He considered the establishment of civil celebrants one of his greatest achievements, if not his greatest achievement. He saw it as a reform that permeated the whole society, which he believed would do substantial and lasting good.
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He saw celebrant ceremonies as the base of a rich culture for secular people; a culture that was honest, authentic, flexible, creative, and enriching. He saw a complex of ceremonies in our society as touching and improving almost every individual, deepening their “spiritual” life.
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Legalities were important – and Murphy could easily claim to be our greatest law reformer. But to him, when it came to celebrants, it was the human person who was paramount. He was well aware that happiness depends on how we think about ourselves, how we perceive others think of us, and what we think of of them. The values were psychological, societal, communal, familial, “spiritual”. Ceremonies, which humans have evolved to communicate in the most serious way we can, can achieve these ideals in many different ways and circumstances. The better the ceremony, the more it achieves its aim.
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This was his vision.
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So I ask, where is the concern and support for current celebrants to learn to create the full range of meaningful substantive ceremonies?
Dally Messenger III STB, LCP, BEd, DipLib, ALAA
Currently: Principal of the International College of Celebrancy
Sometime Lecturer – Victoria University – Graduate Diploma in Arts (Celebrancy)
Sometime Lecturer – Monash University – Graduate Diploma in Arts (Celebrancy)
Foundation President and Administrator of the Australian Federation of Civil Celebrants (1994-1999).
Sometime Life Member of the Australian Federation of Civil Celebrants (1996). (Until they abolished Life Members !!)
Life Member – Celebrants and Celebrations Network
Foundation President of the Australian Association of Funeral Celebrants (1978).
Foundation Secretary of the Association of Civil Marriage Celebrants of Australia (1975-1980).
Author, Ceremonies and Celebrations (4 editions) – a handbook for celebrants.
Author, Murphy’s Law and the Pursuit of Happiness: A History of the Civil Celebrant Movement.
dallymessenger@mac.com
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